Nate Nesler

Looking very cool man looking very cool. I read the PDF on the interface layout. I think they nailed it. I would just like to see more of the nodes in 2.5 more like what XSI and Houdini have done with the standardized data types that can easily have anything drive anything. Allows for a lot of out of the box thinking without having to write tons and tons of code.

andy circus

I didn't know broken was making the changes. :D
I remember using a greyscale blender he made that was probably 20 percent slower to find the buttons I was looking for,
on account of the greyscale. :D
I think everything was reversed and horizontal also. :D

andy circus

reversed and vertical.
Some people like the vertical, but I'm not used to it.

andy circus

I'm sure broken will do a good job though.

Thondal

Looking really good. Still looking forward when there's an alpha version out. I'm soooo going to use it:P For testing purposes offcourse, but it would be really fun to play around with a version where you can actually render stuff and all that. But for now i'm happy with just looking at the progress. I still don't see THAT much change from 2.4* but might be because i don't look closely. Read about the new icons today.. sounds great. Good luck on the further development.

jedihe

@Thondal: the goal with 2.50 is to get a very powerful backend, so the frontend is not going to be too much different from what is in 2.48a. Once the backend is fully functional there will be many new possibilities in extending Blender and also in customization :)

jedihe

Tynach

Cool! You can have a 4-way split, and it will slide both top/bottom and left/right sides at the same time now!

Great work, I really can't wait for 2.50 to come out!

JiriH

DingTo big thank for 2.5 build!
It is really great to see the development. I look for your future next 2.5 builds.

DingTo

I will look that i will update the build every 2-3 days.

Great, that you like the builds.
DingTo

JiriH

Thank for new build. Great new additions. The coders are filling stuff in really fast :-)

4museman

This version of Blender is going to be very great! :-) I can't wait to see it fully functional. I'm sure, that the new event handling system will delight a lot of 3D people, who didn't like Blender because of the fixed shortcuts. And the multicreen support is very usefull as well (try Alt+R to rip current window into a new window ;)). Huge kudos to all developers!

PS: There is a basic 3D viewport manipulation already in SVN! ;-)

Ali

DingTo, can you please re-build this?
There are big features that landed right after you published this.

DingTo

Sure I can, here it is. :-)

Ali

DingTo
Thank you very much for your wonderful work :)

DingTo

You're welcome! :)
And its not much work, once the compile environment is set, i just have to press on a script, compile.bat (simple bacth file) wait, and upload it. ;-)

4museman

Yes! Believe or not, but Blender 2.5 can read a file! I made to open my recent model: http://www.volny.cz/milos.zajic/other/Blender_2.5_opened_file.png :-))))

rexprime

things are coming along nicely

nevermind

Don't forget ngons!

testscreenings

http://e.imagehost.org/0549/image1.jpg

yellow

2.50 will rock!

Tynach

YEAH!!!

Can't wait for this to be finished. Things are really coming together!

Though, now I can't split a view. Probably because they're going to re-implement the menus.

3DSMAX

I HATE THE DESIGN WHY CANT YOU MAKE SOMETHING SIMPLE OR TWO MODES SIMPLE AND ADVANCE MODES WHY DO U ALWAYS HAVE TO COMPLICATE STUFF CANT YOU MAKE WIZARDS

ZanQdo

he he you have no idea what you are talking about :)

Zebulon

DingTo
How do you compile this 'baby'. Can't get it compiled, not with scons and mingw and not with cmake and VC9. Too bad :(

Kind regards,
Zebulon

DingTo

Well, i compile it with no tweaks! No user-config.py!!

Just the local scons, mingw and thats it. It compiles out of the box here. ;-)

Vainqueur

@3DSMAX: Hi there, Endi! How are things these days?;-)

n-pigeon

Wow, I love it THX

Huang

Thank DingTo！it looks very cool~

HTB

so far what i've discovered, is exciting! i written some of it down, have i missed anything?
-the bottom right of the window contains a triangular widget: drag it!

-after a bit of fun, tap Alt+R, now close the old window!

-while in 3d tap S

-the open menu may not be there but you can still open files, drag n drop (not that you can do anything)

-head over to the animations press play and watch what happens to th frame markers as the sweep across the time line, no more guessin

-theres somthing different about the outliner cant put my finger on it...

and now how to sneak peak a goodie

the dope sheet, check out the bottom of the actions window!!

BB

Thank you DingTo !

yellow

rns had just e-mail about the next release about of 2.50 .
it will be in in April Easter day 2009
in USA. He had band from all blend nation forum.

Nik

How do you rip out a window? Alt+R does "Clear Rotation" in the 3D window and nothing in the others...

Anomynos

Rip window is Alt+Ctrl+r (or Ctrl+Alt+r) now

Thondal

Hey, great release, allthough the file browser is not fully functionally though. Also, will there be a render possibility in the near future? Would be nice to test it out, also, i'm a bit noob when it comes to information, my question: will there be a faster renderer/new renderer. It's not slow now, it's just if the file is too big and the octree gets too full my computer chrashes because of memory lack :P hehe.

-thondal-

Thondal

Sorry for double posting, but i though that when you split the views that the changes in one windows was going to be updated in real time in one of the other views / ripped out windows.

Nik

The only problem i have with ripped-out windows is that they're launched as a seperate thread on the taskbar and that screws up the updating for the main Blender window when moving them around.

johan tri handoyo

woww !! great features !! ^_^ cant wait for final release. anyway, i tried it in vista and it's abit lagging. i already set my vista to optimized performance (no aero and stuff), but overall this is super !!

ps: and i think autodesk should adopt Blender RNA, since we have to buy anything from them.

..mehh....

afalldorf

Hey Johan I believe I heard somewhere that Disabling Areo actually slows down blender... Try enabling it again.

Blade_Rain

@ afalldorf

I'm running vista, and disabling aero allows blender to run a bit more smoothly than normal. Enabling it actually makes it able to render in the render window without freezing, but when using the dolly, the screen flickers black and red :(

So it has its quirks... Man I miss XP :'(

And sexy build, btw :)

Blade_Rain

However, running this build with aero enabled erases all previous problems :|

Hm... I hope it stays this way when the final release comes out!!

Yunior

I Hope to than the Blender 2.5 this hard

rben13

When I try to run this under Vista 64-bit Intel, I get the message :

This application has failed to start because MSVCR71.dll was not found. Re-installing the application may fix this problem.

PzVI

I have a bug with GUI. http://www.vimeo.com/2866549

DingTo

PzVI: Try to start blender from the console with blender.exe -E

it solves redrawing for cards that do swap-Exchange

PzVI

DingTo: Thanks for help

Eye of lynx

Thank you very much!
Very Coooooooooooool !

egnot

I have window headers flickering. setting "window draw method" to full\tripple fixes this, but all working much slower. xp32sp3,dualcore, GMA945g

Musicaresco

Hello!
I tried all the build 2.5 but do not work well: many windows and menus are empty and various commands do not work.
My operating system is Win XP Pro SP3.

DingTo

@Musicaresco : Sure they don't work, 2.5 is in development, many features are rewritten!

Musicaresco

@DingTo: I understand ... I felt strange!
Thank you

Bmud

I'm having a strange time adapting to a lot of these tiny changes. "Donut" handles for the handles in the IPO editor is unfamiliar, but I like how it distinguishes the center point from the handle. The panel on the side I wish I could resize (a pet peeve from 2.3x), and I feel like the property names could be less verbose. Example: "Cube" > "Action" > "Location.X" instead of "Cube.Location.X" since I know it belongs to the cube anyway? Maybe this is useful for later, I'm naive at this point.

Can someone tell me the hotkey for making a new window so I can test this out on a dual monitor setup tomorrow?

4museman

@Bmud: To rip a new window is Ctrl Alt R. ;) (It is also listed in temporary menu under F5.)

Aligorith

Bmud:
Thanks for taking interest in the Graph Editor improvements. Regarding the issues you were having
- The main idea behind the changes in handle drawing was to make it easier to distinguish between 'handles' and 'keyframes', with 'keyframes' being more important. Mockups for alternative designs are always welcome, but reverting to the previous confusing display is not an option IMO.
- Panel resizing is something that will be addressed in due course when more UI discussions about the way this works occurs
- The property names are a bit verbose in a few situations (like the one you've named), however, there are many other situations where the current way is somewhat necessary (i.e. for bones, or animating material properties attached to the object in question "Material1.color.R"). Maybe I need to reintroduce 'Action Channels', or perhaps this could be better handled by the 'Action Groups'. The way in which these are defined is currently still subject to review.

Thondal

love the progress, but any idea when the extrude and other edit mode functions will be back?

dalibb

Great progress!!!
Thanks for build.

Phil

"-Making screenshots back. CTRL+F3 does full window now."

Why is this changed? and what do you mean "back"
currently in 2.48a
Ctrl-F3 takes screenshot of active window
Ctrl-Shift-F3 takes full screenshot of all windows

Personally I don't like the new GUI, but I appreciate the improvements that are being made, Thanks

Nik

Why is this changed? and what do you mean "back"

"Back", because of the massive recode going on to get all 2.48 features to use 2.50's new operator system. Work on the GUI can't begin until all functionality is restored first. What you're seeing now isn't really a big GUI change unless you count the icons... Speaking of that, i'd love to be able to change/make my own icon sets... 3dsmax has it!

max

I think I love you, blender team! make me dream!

mbeaver408

DingTo,

Thanks for your service to the Blender community. I am looking forward to your next build of the 2.5 tree based on the commits that I am seeing in the latest database.

Best regards,
Michael A. Beaver
cto
3d modeling labs, inc.

DingTo

You're welcome! It's very interesting to make these builds and I am testing a lot, uploading takes me just few minutes ;-)

Transcendant

Hi, I'm having massive framerate drops while using this, under 10FPS with the default scene, could this be due to the new window manager? And if so, how could I improve my FPS?
Here are my system specs:
Windows XP Pro, SP2
Intel Core 2 Duo E4500
2GB RAM
Intel(R) G33/G31 Express Chipset Family

yellow

wow! it awesome the render is faster ! But it crash when
particle is in file when esc the render. I know it just a test.
but it work with old files. Big thanks

13thFloor

Looking good. Ctrl+Alt+R does not rip windows out. Holding shift+LeftClick and drag on either window sub-divisor does the trick now. Much nicer.

BenNO!

Sorry but is there any chance to implement normal motion blur for the new particle system ? Since version 2.48 theres only the crappy vector blur ...
Greetings - BenNO!

Abhifx

Omg. The new opengl drawn vector buttons. Its awsome. After 2.5, i think this will b the best looking software i hv ever seen. M serious. Man i lv it. If luks cud kil then m already dead. Looking amazing. Cant wait... Must... Resist... Ahhh..

Ghigi123

I love the UI !!!
It's great !
(Scuse me if I can't speak English well !)
@++

HTB

Aero hack-
If you hack your aero to activate slow-mation try and rip a blender window and it blender looks like it's page peeling a new window. cool-effect, not intentional but nice!!!!

PS: alot of the time i notice the window goes black when resizing or moving the blender window whats with that?

Plus is there a source of non tech documentation on this new Ui all the key combos seem to have changed!
so far F5 is the only documentation i could find...

PS:user preferences has been attacked by some drunk guy! :-)

Yunior

A bug: The nodes are disjointed. Sorry!

DingTo

Yeah, the Interface is currently in heavy work in progress.
It will be fixed!

HTB

1. In camera view, playing the scene is really slow.
(ATI 3200HD)

2. When you choose a background image it only applies to camera view

3. you can edit the mesh while blender is still rendering is this meant to be possible? (i noticed changes are committed post render so i guess it's okay.)

4.Is python active yet, I can manage to create and run apps but cant interact with blender because 'import Blender' results in an error. whats the new module called?

DingTo

Hey HTB,
i appreciate the feedback, but 2.5 is in a early state and there are much things which have still to be done.

1: Try to change the window draw-method under Outliner>User Preferences>System & OpenGL. Tripple Buffer is default, try the others.

2. that's WIP

3. Yeah it's fine, but will maybe be disabled in future revisions, because it can cause some trouble.

4. New Python API is also in WIP, nothing that works here.

Nortmobile

When I run this on Windows Server 2008 R2 x64 (beta, also known as Windows 7 Server beta) the screen is completely black except for the cursor and the window border. It still reacts to commands like setting it to full screen F11 which results in a completely black screen. Normally I would say that's a video driver issue except that I can run the Win x64 version that jesterKing has posted previously without issue. I do understand that I'm running a WIP version of Blender on a beta version of an OS, which in itself, may be the issue. What am I missing? Are there differences in the User Preferences settings between this current build and the Win x64 build which was released on Graphicall about a month ago? By the way, I am able to run this version on a XP64 machine just fine and I do want to say the progress is fantastic. Thank you to all that have worked on the 2.50 release.

HTB

==> 3. noooo dont disable that, I love it. especially on those long long endless renders. but then again i guess someone could always upload a custom build to allow that.

max

when the blender users will be able to use the modeling tools?

thankyou!

pat

hi! Good word, but police are very small!!! icons too, please clarify the interface with better separate / colors / contrast.
It 'll be very good if modeling tools are easiest to access.
Try to make cut tool friendly like in XSI
Thanks!

RNS

Wow! its awesome!,but it too soon to release it its too complex , wiki have to be update and have trail run first . i love it!

invertedNormal

thnx for the build DingTo

i'm running this under Wine in Ubuntu 9.04 (jaunty) and it looks and works great! i've been using inazuma's builds on the OS X side, but they've been crashing lately. i don't know if it's the state of the code right now, or if it's a platform problem with the build. anywho, this is working smoothly and the UI is looking awesome!

cheers

Agustin

Very very Nice!
- I suare you, after a moment, some of the new
buttons window contexts dispear, i couldn't reproduce the bug so i left it only a suggest or a evidence mor if some of you all get the same behaivor.

-For the rest i am loving it.

-I Was watiching the new Lightwave Core UI and it sucks compared to the lovely Blender UI!

Agustin

Another Bug finded:

-Render a scene
- Draw anything in it with brush tool
- Toggle the padlock button and then you draw again, it crash.

Keep it up!

n-pigeon

I have suggestion, scroll-wheel should pan menu not scale it. In some areas button and encryption is too tight, for example, Alpha mode when premultiplied is selected, in small buttons, their are too tight and not full shown. Sorry for my English.

in the minority

I hope this is the safest place an artist can put up requests for Blender, though this might not make any sense:

Do you think the grease pencil tool could work for soft modification, where around the brush stroke the edges bend to the curve of that stroke? I think it would be a great speed up for correcting modeling issues in redards to edge flow...

n-pigeon

Last algorithm for curves was nicer this one is to saturated for location curves (it hurts the eyes) and the rest is mudy and ugly.

Agustin

I Love the new f-curves colors, they are much more interesting and armonic with the UI.
The last colors were so gay, like a spring day with your mother instead with you girlfriend.

You got it guys! AMAZING

n-pigeon

Agustin what are you talking about? For now they are over saturated, if they will be a little less saturated there will be fine.

yacinedelucia

this is awesome...i can't describe my happiness when
i found this...and i was even more happy when i experienced
by my hands a first taste of what will be blender 2.5.
all that i can say is that 2.5 surely will be far on top of
any other package.and will force autodesk to think twice
before selling a 2009 2010 2011 multi thousands dollar app
that at the end have two or 3 new features that no body wants

n-pigeon

Wow 2.5 will be amazing :)

I have one suggestion in modifiers the border for them shouldn't be in the same colour as buttons, it looks too unified. Maybe little darker? But I love new separated tab for modifiers :D

Blender User

Please solve the UI problem where multiple open subpanels will cause certain subpanels to be hidden. For example, in the "Model UI Layout", if I click on "Scene" in the "Buttons Window", the Anti-Aliasing, Render, Etc subpanels are all opened... However, I can't see the "Output" panel without scrolling or minimizing/closing some other subpanel. There's no indicator that it's scrollable, so it's hard to know if a user is seeing all available options.

DingTo

Hey, thanks for downloading the build and feedback.
n-pigeon: Yeah is worth a try, but...
Blender User: Agreed we have lots of panels atm, but

It's all WIP. We first have to make all layouts, then we can aggree on such things like sliders etc. Don't worry. :-)

Deniska

Pleas make antialias in viewport. And for preview animation render. It is the best way for next-game like fast hardvare render fo more projects. Ansver pleas send e-mail quakeii(at)mail.ru.
Thanks.

MikeStramba

Does this need SSE (i.e. a "newish" processor?).

Or maybe I'm missing some dll's.

Is it looking for a particular Python version ?

On my old Athlon / XP, it's starting up then exiting immediately.

Mike

DingTo

I don't built with SSE or other flags. SHould work ;-)
I compile with python 2.5.4.

Tio Ilmo

I could not imagine you shoud be at this point with 2.50. I know you have a lot of work to do until we have an Alpha version, but it is amazing! The only problem using 2.50 WIP versions is that we do not want using the old ones! The UI is so soft and nice that make us feel very said using the old ones!
Man you have a problem! I am very excited to see the first stable version!

Axon D

Excellent work!

Feedback:

some scrolling menus are not wide enough, when pointing at the scrolling icon for adding a modifier we lose the menu. the add texture menu cut the 2 last string of the characters of the name. probably WIP.

A new behavior makes that when were in sculpt mode and passing to the edit mode with tab, and then tab again, and we are now in OBJECT mode. Why that? The old behavior gave us the possibility to model in EDIT mode and smooth a portion without having to make a selection, by passing to SCULPT mode set with a smooth brush and then switch back to EDIT mode. This gave a very rapid workflow and was really useful.

Joe

@DingTo:

Good work! Only the new color-picker is not perfect. Even if it is more immediate, it is less accurate than previous version (aren't there the numbers anymore?).

DingTo

@Bezel,
you can still acces the old picker by pressing SHIFT+LMB.
And thank you for your win builds too. :)

Alexander

When I try to run this under Windows 7 64-bit, I get the message :

This application has failed to start because MSVCR71.dll was not found. Re-installing the application may fix this problem.

How can I solve this?
*Installed/reinstalled ms framework and vcredist ... with no luck

Joe - Bezel

@Alexander

You need to download this DLL and insert it into the root folder of Blender.

http://www.dll-files.com/dllindex/dll-files.shtml?msvcr71

@DingTo:
Thank you for reply. I've only another question: if I compile Blender with Python 2.6 by simply replacing the DLL and modules I could use the new

Joe - Bezel

I'm sorry, I press enter...

@DingTo:
Thank you for reply. I've only another question: if I compiled Blender with Python 2.6 or Python 3.0, by simply replacing the DLL and modules, could I use the new Python's syntax?

DingTo

You can compile with other python versions by setting the py version in your userconfig file. (BF_PYTHON_VERSION = '2.6')
But there is no Py 3 Zip Package in the Repo yet, not sure if this works on windows.But I guess you can use the new syntax, yeah. :-)

veQue

I love the progress. Great that every modifier has its own icon now. . Can we get those for the mesh primitives. like cube and cylinder and cone and sphere all easy to get confused when modeling sleepy. somethings crash it easily of course like selecting soft bodies as a modifier. but i expect you know this. Thanks alot developers. 2.5 is great

veQue

Looks like i can only move modifiers down in stack but not up.

veQue

Sorry one more post for now, it would be cool if we could click drag modifiers up and down the stack.

veQue

=( ok sorry LAST one until someone posts after me.. i was testing out the mask modifier and of course i have to have a vertex group named in advance.. anyway can we (or would it even make much sense to do so) give a name in the modifier stack on the fly. if i have verts selected in the 3d viewer?

veQue

-_- no body's gonna post? oh well ..hmm there seems to be an old bug that was in some previous blenders as well lurking here.
with dupli stuff initally it works in object mode but if i hit tab (edit mode, back to object mode) twice it only shows the duplications in edit mode and not in object mode.

hishnash

Hi, I've just started compiling a human-readable list of keyboard shortcuts for blender 2.5 development versions here:
http://blender-dev.blogspot.com/

Malcolm

Hello guys!

i have 3 question about development of blender 2.5.

1. how system of render passes work. (iґm XSI and i think in a pass/partition/overrides manner).
2. some type of ICE will be implemented? (some type of visual nodal low level programing, multitreaded) if yes, the future of blender will be brilliand, and can ofuscate commercial softwares.
3. some type of muli property page can be used on blender? (or this exist already?) (iґm not much proeficient on blender interface right now.

Thank for you guys, for fantastic work. And congratulation to Ton Rosendas for all effort into make a fantastic revolution with new blender 2.5+

veQue

I want to point out something that's not a bug but nonetheless a nuisance. click dragging for numerical value changes should continue changing values when i hit an edge of a screen. why? well in the T window when i use spin tool at 360 its really hard to lower it back down. this ofcourse is only one of many examples.

or it would be cool if i could drag down and/or left to drop values down. just an idea.

alxarch

veQue:
this is indeed useful but the main problem with this approach is that you have to rellocate your mouse (physically) after you do this so some people will definately argue that it clutters workflow and that ctrl/shift modifier keys are better.

iBlend

please i'm having problems with ripping out windows. can't the old way of splitting and joining windows be implemented. its a lot easier.
-also when you add objects, it adds relative to your view (that sucks) can't the objects be added in default view.
Otherwise, 2.5 is looking sweet. love the UI,...it rocks!

lkdb

Hello, can anyone build a new revision? Now we have 21242, but this is 21135...

Bezel

@Ikdb:

Okay, but until there are no major news, it is unnecessary to compile a new build. However, wait a few minutes and I will compile a new build.

lkdb

Oh, really, especially for me? Wow, thanks... :D

Bezel

Guten Morgen!

While I was writing a script for Blender, I thought that it would be very useful if there were a file format for storing materials in Blender, such as MAT file in V-Ray (exempli gratia, BMAT or BLENDMAT files). Storing and distributing materials through BLEND files is not handy: the file sizes are larger than necessary and users have to export the materials with "Append" function (SHIFT+F1). I think a new file format should include only the material settings and the (possible) textures (maybe with XML or C++ arrays?). What do you think about? Could it cause problems or is it unprofitable?

Regards,
Angelo

jabhacksoul

DingTo, I found your build to be VERY interesting. I will try to explain why. Currently I am using XP and IGP (graphics from the motherboard). To do this with the current BF builds, I have to shutdown my Acceleration (crap driver) and run in a reduced speed. Otherwise I get OpenGL buffer frames popping up all over the place. Example; the splash screen and other screens will keep showing up every time I mouse over a button inside the Blender.

However your build "Blender 2.5 SVN 21135" doesn't have this effect, I assume you must have made some kind change to the way it accesses the graphics driver.

I have access to C++ compilers and I guess I could make a rebuild of my own, if nothing more that to make it more IGP friendly. But I would like to know exactly what you did that made it work so much better? This would be a boon to people who cannot change out graphics cards such as laptop users.

DingTo

@jabhacksoul:
Thanks! But i didnt modify the source, it has to do with the new windowmanager architecture in Blender 2.5. :)

veQue

Wow you guys even fixed the duplifaces only showing in edit mode problem. BRAVO guys.

Well i love the progress but i noticed two things. extrude extrudes freely untill i hit the mmb, this is weird. It will however extrude on a normal after i hit the middle mouse button.

Also there's a glitch.. select a face hit extrude and extrude a bit...> now undo twice. try to extrude again without changing your face selection..> it doesnt work(it grabs instead). Just thought i'd mention it. I know you guys would fix it anyway.

If you are planning on button menu's "view" to only have horizontal and vertical for it's options then the start up file should have "view" collapsed.

Please dont get rid of gestures, even if you just make them optionable. i love gestures and they are very easy for me to use.

veQue

Slightly quark about new interface which is otherwise A+. The T button window produces it's own arrow /\ which can overlap the 3dviewer's arrow quite easily maybe you guys can fix before it gets to final release. I've included a picture http://imagebin.org/54498 to show you what I'm talking about. and if i click the T's /\ first then i have to click click click click to get it back to normal. Thanks in advance.

veQue

Also i notice that although i can right click cancel a splitting of windows i can not do the same for joining them. I can only esc cancel it.

Dayanto

Really love the colors in 2.5! Looks much better with orange than purple for selected objects. All the icons look much better too and I like the way the camera spins when you switch to side-, top-view etc.

What I don't like is that it'll propably take years for me to use Blender normally after this. =P I also just hope nothing will be forgotten.

Really looking forward to the release, 2.5 is really somthing special!

veQue

I've been making my suggestions for the final 2.5 release.. or a 2.5x here. I hope you don't mind that I continue.
If there is a better place please link me.
anyway here goes:

*Back button for ALL windows (to easily navigate back to previous window)
*Solid/wireframe render (so i dont have to use two objects)
*Metaballs mirror
*Face/Edge Select for lattice
*Mirror for curves
*Array for curves
*Tilde"~" toggle for all layers/previous-selected-layer(s) (right now "~" turns on all and alt~ turns off. Tilde toggle is best because sometimes I hit ~ when trying to hit tab.
*Tab button should change input fields (in the uv sphere pop-up for example [Segment/Rings/Radius])

Lastly
*A non-disappearing background image when rotating 3d viewer.

Thanks and apologies if this kind of thing is the wrong place.

aleksandera

K-knife, where is it (loop)

veQue

Shift D duplicate acts funny.

Also would be cool if there was a button in the N-> view menu .. right next to "3D Cursor" that would automatically center the cursor. That versus copy pasting 0 0 0.

I assume 4 split view will be back in the real release of 2.5 ?

Great stuff as always developers keep up the good work. Blender is great.

veQue

also scrollbar in buttons menu shouldn't scroll down for every button at once.

JustinBarrett

loop cut/add loop was not in there last I checked. I have not checked this 02 Aug build yet though.

Ben Dansie

Just ran a bit of smoke simulation with this build on a netbook. It effectively worked.

One of those because I can things.

RNS

why, put the smoke setting in physic? I rather see it in the modifier for quick pipeline work ,now more window to split !
theses talented people do good trail work and when they
drink beer all night.then they make awkward changes.
Stop !!

DingTo

Because Fluid, Cloth and Soft Body is in Physics too. Thats the reason.
You can control everything there too, add modifer, remove, etc.

And I was very sober while doing these chaneges ;-)

max

Thankyou very much !! 2.5 seems much more stable!

also could you check this discussion ?

http://www.blender.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=15484

thankyou!!


PS: where is the retopo tool and the multiresolution option panel ? cant find it! :(

kmaro

Where is the brush texture for sculpt tool?

sugarman

I am trying to emulate numpad for my laptop but its not working.

RNS

Sorry,DingTo-I get so frustrated just working with alpha build.
how to set up smoke stimulus - any one?

DingTo

You need a Domain and inside that a Flow Object.
The Flow objects needs also a particle system. If you still don't get it try Genschers test file:
http://www.wxtools.com/wp/archives/308

Bezel

Since the modifiers list become very long, it's difficult to see some of the last modifiers (especially in laptop screens). Could you please insert a scroll bar?

Regards,
Angelo

RNS

Thanks,it's working now,before there no smoke and now there is ? those hardware memory or graphic card matter? to really run 2.50.

RNS

those any one know how to bring up add menus mesh? I'm so use using space key,that 2.50 don't show.

Adauto A. Araujo

Hi.

This is the second built that I can't use. I've tried to use in 3 diferent PCs. I always get this message:

“Aplicativo nгo inicializado corretamente (0xc0150002). Clique em ‘OK’ para finalizar a execuзгo”

In english (sorry about my bad english):

"Application not initialized correctly (0xc0150002). Click OK to finish"

Can someone help me?

Thanks

DingTo

Install the C++ Runtime from Microsoft

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=9B2DA534-3E03-4391-8A4D-074B9F2BC1BF&displaylang=de

LiquidApe

@RNS Use shift-a or just use the "Add" menu at the top of the 3d window.

RNS

Now,how hair is soft body is done,this a little different than
the current blender soft body setting. big thanks

Tim Capelle

@ Bezel/Angelo

Same request here. For now though you can press crtl+MMB in that window and then move left or right to change the size and make it smaller. If you dont have a MMB then you can simulate it by pressing the LMB+RMB simultaneously, though ctrl+(LMB/RMB)+left or right is can be a little more difficult with just a laptop trackpad.

Hope this helps

Adauto A. Araujo

@DingTo

Man, thank you so much!! It works so fine!!

Bezel

@ Tim

Thank you for the reply. Yes, it can be a good solution for this problem, but I think it would be more comfortable with the adding of a scroll bar.

Regards,
Angelo (Bezel)

DaveC

I got how to make a smoke simulation but can't figure out how to render it. Anyone know how?

DingTo

Rendering of smoke is not possible yet.

Borgleader

@DingTo: Well for one thing, thanks a lot for your builds :) I've been downloading them regularly for a quite a while now and, I really appreciate them. They allow me to follow along with Blender's development and so I'm quite happy that you keep making them on such a regular basis.

Now not too long ago I installed Windows 7 on my desktop and since I usually try your builds on my laptop I figured I'd try the latest one on something with a little more juice, unfortunately I ran into this :
http://tinyurl.com/mwrqqu

I'm baffled as to why I'm getting this error at all. Any ideas?

brandon

DingTo where are you getting your info about he shortcut keys? I was also having an issue with trying the space bar and nothing would come up. I'm also having difficulties with the shortcut keys for making cuts. I would like to just have a reference sheet or something will all the keys.

silentpolygon

When you go into the outliner and select 'Keymaps' in the header it'll show you all the hotkeys AND you can even change the Keymap. 2.5 is going to be reeeaaaally cool.

karoshi

God bless the blender developers!! Thank You for all Your efford!!

John

I have a fully patched Windows XP and when I try to run Blender.exe I get an error that says the application failed to initialize properly.

I am interested in testing this and looked for information as to how to run / install and found nothing.

For instance I am not even sure if I need to have python installed first. Any installation / debugging information would be much appreciated.

DingTo

To quote myself...

"Install the C++ Runtime from Microsoft"

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=9B2DA534-3E03-4391-8A4D-074B9F2BC1BF&displaylang=de

Rben13

I get the following error:

Fatal Python error: Py_Initialize: can't initialize sys standard streams
File "c:\python25\lib\encodings\__init__.py", line 120
raise CodecRegistryError,\
^
SyntaxError: invalid syntax

How can I fix it?

rebus

Snap not working with element yourself.

Jack*RED

great build thx DingTo :)

btw, the console window will still remain in the 2.5 ?
it would be great if we could hide the console window from the preferences :)

raca

Thank's for offering a detachable (pop-up) window in 2.5! Are they going to allow for multiple detachable windows later on?

Alaa El-din Mokhtar

please help
I get the same error with "rben13" on windows xp x64

"Fatal Python error: Py_Initialize: can't initialize sys standard streams
LookupError: unknown encoding: cp720"

windows is fully updated
python 2.6 and 3.1 is installed
blender 2.5 with python 2.5 builds works smoothly with me

please help us

John

Thanks. Perhaps write it requirements up in a README or INSTALL file for future newbie reference. Great work btw. :)

Blender King

Nice work. Can't wait for da final build. Like the interactive window featuire

mthoenes

Game Engine Quirk.

If I set theCube as a rigid body and start game: NO physics engages

If I open file from blender 2.49a in 2.5 and set cube as a rigid body, the Physics works.

Great work on the the development... TNX

marcatore

About architectural jobs I think it should be a good feature to have snaps for the subobjects of the bezier curves (as now it's for the polygonal object.

Alaa El-din Mokhtar

Hey!
I solved the problem by changing "Language for non-Unicode programs" --- which is located in "Regional and language option" in the Control Panel --- from Arabic to English
Here's a screenshot
http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/7439/fixl.png

3d

how to change hotkeys ?

RNS

wow the rendering super fast! I like it!
good bye classic blender ...

mcreamsurfer

I tested this build on a hp nx 7300 with 2gb ram, 1,86 Duo Core and most important mobile intel 945 express chipset and had some severe problems like disappearing buttons or at least their icons disappearing. window layout messed up and problems with displaying of cached smoke. sometimes everything works and sometimes it's a total mess. maybe it's still the intel onboard graphic chipset problem...right!?

I appreaciate your builds and use them a lot though. I am using a macbook too (intel gma x3100 graphics) and do not have these problems except for some display problems of cached smoke...

anyway, i hope this info helps somehow in some way :)

DingTo

"how to change hotkeys ?"
Outliner > Keymaps

@mcreamsurfer: These are well known problem caused by bad Intel Drivers :P.

Set the Window Drawing Mode in the User Preferences to "Overlap". Its in the system tab.

mcreamsurfer

thanks for your respond...to bad for me though. maybe it's time to get a new computer.

gwc42

Looks good but I can't seem to get the "emulate keypad" option to work in the user preferences. I set it but it seems to have no effect - keys 1..0 still change the active layer, and the numpad is not emulated at all.

Is this a problem with the build, or something else?

It makes it hard for me to experiment, as I am using a laptop, so I would find emulation .. well, essential, really.

DingTo

mcreamsurfer: I wrote also what you can do to fix it. Try that :)

Jeiser

The 'bevel' option has been disabled ?!
I can't find it in this build...

DingTo

...it has nothing todo with the build...
2.5 is in Development, many features don't work yet!
"In Development..."

al

Fatal Python error: Py_Initialize: can't initialize sys standard streams
LookupError: unknown encoding: cp720

This is the message I get in the console , when double clicking the program, and it exits ... what is my problem? Help please

al

Fatal Python error: Py_Initialize: can't initialize sys standard streams
LookupError: unknown encoding: cp720

This is the message I get in the console , when double clicking the program, and it exits ... what is my problem? Help please

Alaa El-din Mokhtar

open the "Control panel" > "Regional and language option" > "Advanced" >
then change the language to "English (United States)"
and it will work Insha'Allah
this Image might help
http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/7439/fixl.png

EagleWing

Finally they have the viewport controls back to the way they were in 2.49!!! Looking really good.

Bigbad

Setting the middle mouse button to Panning doesn't work in this version.

Mikle

Please help!!!

I have a weird (stupid?) problem with Blender 2.5.

When I try to run any build on my computer, it fails without any comments.Some builds run once, but then produce the same error report. No no one runs. On the other computer (with Russian WinXP) they work nice without any additional effort.

Both computers are AMD64, 2GB, WinXP( Eng and Rus).

On my comp Blender 2.49 works without any problem.

I have installed both Python 2.5.4 and Python 3.1 on my comp, tried to write the path to Blender's folder, but nothing helps.

I think that the solution should be very simple (e.g., missed library or some component is uninstalled, etc.), but I can't figure out what I have to do.

anonymous

If you split region (ctrl+alt+s) it does the opposite what you choose. For example if you pick horizontal it splits the window up and down (vertical) and vise versa.

mcreamsurfer

Subject: Maybe not only a driver (Intel) problem

In an earlier comment I said that buttons are disappearing and smoke not being shown correctly on hp nx 7300 with Intel Graphics GMA 945 Chipset. You told me it's a known issue of a bad driver problem.

So I did some further investigation and found out, that the dissapearing is not just related to Intel GMA onboard graphics but also seems to be related to the current drawmode meaning: whenever I change into Wiremode all buttons dissappear after a while. In Solid mode they are all there. So it's propaby more than just a driver problem.

I installed python 3.1.1 to see if there's somehow a problem with python missing. But the problem is still there. Whenever I change into wiremode all buttons dissappear not matter I use Tripple Buffer, Overlap or Full (you suggested Overlap).

Thanks in advance ... maybe this time it's somehow useful ;)

PkBlender

Hi,
I don't know how to manually add an Ipo to an object. I only can add an Ipo by using I-Key.

In previous versions there was an "Ipo Type" Window where to choice Material, World, Texture, Fluidsim etc...and an Ipo list (e.g. LocX, LocY, LocZ, Layer, etc...)

For example: How can I add the Ipo "Active" on an object Inflow (Fluidsim) ?

I tried the builds 22647, 22908 and 22956

Thankyou to everyone who can help me

go mad

Ctrl+Tab for going to weight paint mode is overwriting the Ctrl+Tab for setting the select mode in edit mode. It's just a little bug. Easy fix I belive.

build : 22956

CaminoDeFlores

Great! Супер!

Sash

I did have this error:

"
I get the following error:

Fatal Python error: Py_Initialize: can't initialize sys standard streams
File "c:\python25\lib\encodings\__init__.py", line 120
raise CodecRegistryError,\
^
SyntaxError: invalid syntax

How can I fix it?"

Installing newest python(3.1.1 x86) - helped to get rid of this problem.

Alaa El-din Mokhtar, your solution did not work for me

francois

it's because you have python 2.5 install on your computer, and this build works with python 3.0 !

before you start this build rename your python folder to something else. like python25 to _python25, like that blender won't find the python folder on your computer and it will use the build-in python librarie of blender :)

(at least it did work for me :) )

otherwise you can install the python 3.0 but I'm not sure it will be compatible with blender2.49

cheers

DingTo

2.5 uses Python 3.1, not 3.0 francois. :)
3.0 won't work either.

Jack*RED

In the Particles System Tab, on the Effectors, there's the Magnetic effector which is written two times instead of a Texture effector...

DingTo

Jack*RED: Fixed in SVN 23049. Thanks for the report. :)

anonymous

The 3d cursor is repositioned when you click in the 3d view toolbar (press T) then click in the window. If you click in the 3d properties it doesn't reposition the cursor.

Benjamin Kay (HTB)

@DingTo: Is the Bmesh build more recent? this build seems to be very behind and seems to only have half the interface that the Bmesh build has... No user preferences, menus e.t.c.
I ask this cause I know there is a drfference between back and front end. So.. which is more recent?

Just a request here, the num pad emulation is very critical to laptop users. I know it's a small and early issue, but to laptop users it makes using the interface terribly difficult. But I really want to test out and play about with the interface, any chance?....

Benjamin Kay (HTB)

@Ding T0: ignore my last comment, I got mixed up while extracting the zip...

But the bit aout num-pad is still an issue.

Claudiney

Import Image as texture isn't working.
Still in development or bug?
Thanks!

BlenderManiac

HI. At start I would like to sorry for my English.
First Problem: I have quite old PC (7 years old :P ) celeron 2.8 @ 3.0, ~700 ram, fx5200 128MB. and the problem is that: when I play animation, transforming (move, scale etc.) object (especially when scaling), apart when I turning around camera (MMB) and preview 3D window (Shift+LMB) -> blender just slow down. problem disappear after toggle 3D view window on full screen (CTRL + UP arrow). that slow down effect is caused by UI panel (I guess) (mostly by Properties task where's most buttons, edits etc.). So if you can optimize UI Rendering i program loop during activity 3D View Window and vice versa.
Next case is thad: after rescale Panels:PropertiesWindow (CTRL + mouse move left/right) when scroll this window, all controls(buttons, check boxes, edit etc.) are changing disproportionately its scale (always when scrolling-even little cursor moves).
BTW. CTRL + SPACE was better to toggle full screen window mode because hhis can be done with one hand while the other have at mouse.

Batarzell

This is cool project!

Jacob valenta

I'm amazed :)
view, 4 way split sets it up like professional programs. the UI is sleeker. background images now work :D and all around it is just amazing

Max

everyday release!

awesome :)

tim

much appreciate the work

but, when i max. window or fullscreen (shft+f11) 3d port is laggy afterword.

testscreenings

lol, in the last days you were building faster than i could open and try the new stuff :)

3d Immortal

It gives me this error before blender opens:

Fatal Python error: Py_Initialize: can't initialize sys standard streams
LookupError: unknown encoding: cp720

and then it closes .. what's wrong? Could u help me please?

Rasengan

Have you Python 3.1 installed?

dnprossi

Any one notice that on 23116 version changing from object mode to any other mode returning to object mode is not possible unless using tab shortcut? Wont work clicking on mode menu buttons...

Muki

Bugs which weren't around a few versions ago:
* Ctrl+Tab no longer works in Edit mode, changes mode to Weight Paint
* Ctrl+X doesn't work

And yes, dnprossi, I noticed the same thing. If 2.5 is already trunk, does that means it'll be beta status soon? It seems there's still some major outstanding missing features (saving keymaps, for instance) for a version that's due in a month =(

DingTo

CTRL+X is now CTRL+N.
And please no bug reports here anymore! We now have a 2.5 bug tracker.
http://projects.blender.org/tracker/?atid=498&group_id=9&func=browse

DingTo

Elcrapocrew

@DingTo:
Thank you so much for all these builds! I Wish I could find a guide for doing this myself but alas i think the constraints on my time will not allow it.

One quick question, is BMesh in this build? I remember reading about it being ready and I DLd another builder's output that had it but I cant find it in here. Is there a reason it is not included or am i just to dumb to find it (which is a perfectly viable possibility)?

Elcrapocrew

@DingTo:
Thank you so much for all these builds! I Wish I could find a guide for doing this myself but alas i think the constraints on my time will not allow it.

One quick question, is BMesh in this build? I remember reading about it being ready and I DLd another builder's output that had it but I cant find it in here. Is there a reason it is not included or am i just to dumb to find it (which is a perfectly viable possibility)?

polete

hi friend thank you so much, i dont speak very well but i need help, how you cut, because when i 'm in edit mode and press K nothing i dont can, please say me how do . see ya

3d Immortal

Yes I have Python 3.1 installed and still gives me this error:

Fatal Python error: Py_Initialize: can't initialize sys standard streams
LookupError: unknown encoding: cp720

any help please?

Tio Ilmo

The Menus desapears in the last buildings of 2.50. Until building 22316 of 2.50 it was working well. What I need to do?

Max

every release is much more stable!

thanks!

Aidan

SVN23161 when one adds a smoke modifier to a plane, set it to FLOW in the physics tab, under PARTICLE SYSTEMS: field the actual words "particle systems" are hard coded into the field.

Switch to the Particle Tab, add a PARTICLE SYSTEM, Name it - eg smoke1 - the name is now "Namesmoke1" not "smoke1".

Switch back to the physics tab, add your particle system to the PARTICLE SYSTEM: field - it now comes out as "particlesystemsmoke1".

I know its a small thing, just thought I should mention it!

Aidan

SVN23161 when one adds a smoke modifier to a plane, set it to FLOW in the physics tab, under PARTICLE SYSTEMS: field the actual words "particle systems" are hard coded into the field.

Switch to the Particle Tab, add a PARTICLE SYSTEM, Name it - eg smoke1 - the name is now "Namesmoke1" not "smoke1".

Switch back to the physics tab, add your particle system to the PARTICLE SYSTEM: field - it now comes out as "particlesystemsmoke1".

I know its a small thing, just thought I should mention it!

Aidan

Sorry about the double post. Am using OPERA, maybe that was it. I think a refresh was the root of my error here.

I also added this to the bug tracker. AFTER adding this I spotted further up that the 2.5 bug tracker was up and running. So NOW also, sorry for inappropriately adding this here

Aidan

Victoride

I love 2.5!

I have this build running on Vista-64 with no problems.
It's pretty stable and you can do some work with it already. Great!

PlanetKiller

I works well in win7 with the areo effects on. (yay)
Can you tell me if these are implemented yet; movement of objects in the game engine or view frames?
I also cannot get it to emulate numpad on my laptop. I clicked the check box.

I cannot wait for 2.5.

PlanetKiller

I works well in win7 with the areo effects on. (yay)
Can you tell me if these are implemented yet; movement of objects in the game engine or view frames?
I also cannot get it to emulate numpad on my laptop. I clicked the check box.

I cannot wait for 2.5.

grafixsuz

Dingto, Thank you for the builds. I just tried the smoke several times on this latest version and when I add a particle system, it gives a crash.

I haven't had this problem before, but I happens 100% of the times with build Blender 2.5 SVN 23285.

winnertakesteve

i have the same issue as grafixsuz with the smoke module crashing blender whenever a particle system is added to the inflow object. regardless, thanks for the builds DingTo!

Elcrapocrew

@ grafixsuz and winnertakesteve:
Please check to see if these issues are reported in the official 2.5 bug tracker: http://projects.blender.org/tracker/?atid=498&group_id=9&func=browse

If these bugs are NOT listed already you can post them, the devs need to know about your issues but DingTo probably doesn't : )

gwc42

Can't do a lot as it seems emulate numpad is still not working. Too tedious on a laptop without this!

Oli

Great thanks !
I just hope that Logic Bricks will recover their colors =S ...

nash88

Sir DingTo, I have a suggestion... What if when you open up Blender and the Viewport is empty rather than have a cube, camera and light in there. Or when you create a new file the default scene setup will be shown up.

Can you put Fly Mode on the next build?

Nagesh

Hi DingTo,

Thanks for making these snapshots available on such regular basis!

I am a Blender newbie, so please bear with any naive questions!

The Cg Cokkie tutorials are almost 2 months away, so I thought I'd learn 2.5 by trying Neal Hirsig's tutorials with 2.5. (They are small and deal with one topic at a time; so ideal for this purpose.)

In the wrap text tutorial, I am not able to find the "Curves and Surfaces" panel (I expected it to appear within the Tools Panel in a context-sensitive manner).

Am I not looking in the right places, or are these panels yet to be added in 2.5?

Thanks for your time and efforts again!

Max

@Nagesh

Hi, You have to know that 2.5 is still development version of 2.5, so, sometimes feature appear and disapper, just wait few weeks for the official release, for the moment I guess is best to play with 2.49b :)

Nagesh

OK, thanks!

@DingTo

Hi, DingTo.

I've a problem when I compile the new builds (from SVN 22440) with VS2008.

The header file winbuildinfo.h (trunk\source\creator) doesn't exist.

I've insert it manually:

char * build_date=BUILD_DATE;
char * build_time=BUILD_TIME;
char * build_platform=BUILD_PLATFORM;
char * build_type=BUILD_TYPE;

But the compiler doesn't work... How can I resolve this?

Thanks in advance.

DingTo

Hey,.
sry no idea how to fix this. It works here without problems with scons/msvc.

Bezel

Oh, I'm sorry. I wrote @DingTo instead of Bezel in the header.

I compile the source with CMake and Visual Studio 2008. But at the end of the compilation, there is one error:

winbuildinfo.h doesn't exist in source/creator.

So I search in Internet (Google) and I find this: http://lists.blender.org/pipermail/bf-committers/2005-July/011387.html

And I created this file manually... but I don't resolve the problem.

imbusy

BUILD_DATE, BUILD_TIME and so on are not defined. Instead, do this:

char * build_date="";
char * build_time="";
char * build_platform="";
char * build_type="";

Bezel

@ Imbusy:

Thank you, but when I write the file "winbuildinfo.h" there are two other errors...

http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/5152/immagineyf.png

LNK2019: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/799kze2z%28VS.80%29.aspx

LNK1120: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/799kze2z%28VS.80%29.aspx

aYen

sorry for skipping such a long disscusses above, i'm right now at my work here, and i just wanna say... it's really a great job!

aYen

by the way, PSD file seems not support in this build

imbusy

Bezel, you forgot one string
char *build_rev="";

folknutz

hi. ive been following blender 2.5 builds.its amazing..
ive been using blender 2.49b for a while and i use a lot of ctrl+tab, and ctrl for snapping tools.but i cannot work thisstuff in 2.5..is this builds need some compiling coz im using only what is in uncompressed files.
thanks..

blenderadio

Hi, does the latest SVN specifically need at minimum python 2.6 http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Dev:Doc/Building_Blender/2.5/Windows ?

No longer possible with 2.5.4 due to API update?

Thanks

aidanodr

FOLKNUTZ: 2.5 is under heavy development, it is expected that alot of stuff IS NOT working yet. Alot of the pre 2.5 modelling toolsets ARE NOT added back in yet as far a sI know. PLUS i imagine by default in 2.5 keystrokes may differ, key mapping is being added to allow users set their own key strokes in effect!

BLENDERRADIO: I reckon it needs Python 3.1 .. I think. However it will NOT do any harm to your system to install 2.6 and 3.1. I have both installed under windows without any difficulty!

Aidan

folknutz

@aidanodr..thanks so much...been waiting for the final release of 2.5..im sure its a lot of amazing stuff...keep it up blender masters!

Bmud

Am I the only one that's noticed that clicking on the tiny circle that's at the bottom (but not the one at the top) of a scrollbar makes the view scroll in the opposite direction?

Bmud

I also noticed that the Properties panel on the right side of the 3D window doesn't overlap while the toolbox does

Ignatz

The progress is very interesting. Good Work.

The new interface will take some getting used to. In some ways it is fantastic. In other ways it still needs lots of work. No sense making extensive comments until having used a first, stable release long enough time for the issues to become apparent.


BUG: Modifiers do not update when in Sculpt mode. It is necessary to toggle the "Realtime Display of Modifier" key off and on again to make the display update in the work window.

(Running on Windows XP Pro 32-bit)

Ignatz

The progress is very interesting. Good Work.

The new interface will take some getting used to. In some ways it is fantastic. In other ways it still needs lots of work. No sense making extensive comments until having used a first, stable release long enough time for the issues to become apparent.


BUG: Modifiers do not update when in Sculpt mode. It is necessary to toggle the "Realtime Display of Modifier" key off and on again to make the display update in the work window.

(Running on Windows XP Pro 32-bit)

AdobeMan

add object with space bar should be common sense...

and this build is crashing a lot. (adding modifiers, opening files... etc)

AdobeMan

add object with space bar should be common sense...

and this build is crashing a lot. (adding modifiers, opening files... etc)

DingTo

It looks like posting the same message twice gets new default here?!

And come on guys, this is not a bug tracker here, this is one:
http://projects.blender.org/tracker/?atid=498&group_id=9&func=browse

Thanks!

max

I think that now 2.5 could be use... but why in your (awesome) builds the CTRL+TAB in edit mod doesnt show me the panel for choose EDGE, POINT or FACE ?

I know that 2.5 is still in development, but would be fine have some basic shortcut avaible :)

thankyou!

Electric Jim

From all the 2.5 builds I've seen, it appears that the Copy Attributes function in armature Pose mode has been replaced with Copy Pose. (At least, the default Ctrl+C shortcut has been remapped and I can't seem to find a new shortcut or any menu that performs Copy Attributes.) Copy Pose is definitely useful, but certain aspects of my animating workflow depend strongly on the Copy Attributes function (as it exists in 2.49). Any idea whether Copy Attributes will end up in the official Blender 2.5 release?

Electric Jim

From all the 2.5 builds I've seen, it appears that the Copy Attributes function in armature Pose mode has been replaced with Copy Pose. (At least, the default Ctrl+C shortcut has been remapped and I can't seem to find a new shortcut or any menu that performs Copy Attributes.) Copy Pose is definitely useful, but certain aspects of my animating workflow depend strongly on the Copy Attributes function (as it exists in 2.49). Any idea whether Copy Attributes will end up in the official Blender 2.5 release?

The BLENDER FAN Alex WEST

Well I think the new design is not very practical ...
The current versions of BLENDER are so much clearer !
The butons are so much easier to find !
Everything looks grey in this 2.50 ...
YES the customisation works and it is made for that !
I know ...
BUT I do not have time to waste for customisation ...
I want to work with it that' s all ...
But the new features from the 2.50 release seam to be great !
But in a way the new smoke simulator or rather the results are loocking to be faked in a kind of way !
I hope they will look better once rendered !
AND as a conclusion of my comment , I'm beginning to unterstand those who ,FINALLY, have chosen to use a professional 3d CG sofware !

Max

@The BLENDER FAN Alex WEST:

please... so many stupids comment is so small space...
Blender 2.5 is free and great! If you want some feature like smoke use your 3000dollars for the new "commercial software" and donate to the guys that developing the tool!!

I'm donating when I can do, I donate also for the people that wants more and more avery time...

Ok, at this point, PLEASE dont use Blender!!

Agetian

@ The BLENDER FAN Alex WEST: You're being overly critical of what in fact is actually an early alpha of the upcoming Blender 2.5 - things will change, improve, and be updated with time. The drastic changes in the interface may be shocking at first, it's normal that you're quite at a loss and you feel like things aren't quite where you expect them to be, but then again, the improvements are generally for the better - more intuitive interface as soon as you get accustomed to it, nice customization options (yeah, not everyone needs shortcut customization, for instance personally I'm totally fine with the default shortcuts and I wouldn't change them at all, but many people will welcome the customizability of the new interface!), feature improvements, and so on. You should be grateful that such wonderful software is available free of charge for everyone to download, use, and enjoy!

Ghigi123

Hello !
I have a big problem !
I can't launch Blender svns !
"AppName: blender.exe AppVer: 0.0.0.0 ModName: blender.exe
ModVer: 0.0.0.0 Offset: 0040353a"
Help me please !

gwc42

hmm, emulate numpad still not working...

Wilmot

MMM very, very sexy....

I do quite like the smoke option.

Bit of a pity my computer handles it like a 3 legged Rhinoceros

gwc42

Nope - still can't get emulate numpad to work...

SEspider

I keeping having a Scroll Wheel issue.
None of the builds of 2.50 allows me to use the Shift & Crtl keys to scroll horizontal and vertical.

I can zoom in about out fine as well as move my view 360 around a mesh. But I can't move to a desired central point when needed. :(

I'm using Windows 7 beta (activated) and MS is no help with this at all. They blame the program. And they may be right. 2.49b uses the scroll wheel fine. But bogs down the system with other issues.

PLEASE HELP!

tim

yo i love you for the builds thanks for it but damn the simple multires mod makes a catmull-clark mod for the first level but only the first level. can you pass it on?

peace

milkchancookies

how do i save custom keymaps?

tibou

did you build this one with Fast Math ?

folknutz

hi dingto,nice blends here.pls help. i cant find the physics button.(the little purple pacman) is it loaded or still not included.thanksss!!!

folknutz

hi. I found the game logic.but a problem in putting inputs on motion slot.numbers does not appear (all zero's) but does affect motion in games.
great development now in blender 2.5..good luck and more power..

perdido

Where are the svn logs? Do I have to get an extra account to access them?

perdido

Where are the svn logs? Do I have to get an extra account to access them?

DingTo

SVN Logs can be found here: http://lists.blender.org/pipermail/bf-blender-cvs/

@folknutz: The Physic button is on the right of the properties window.

@tibou: No, otherwise the build would be in the "Optimized" Download section ;-)

folknutz

tnx dingto..one thing more. "remove doubles" doesnt work.some other builds had it working.
keep it up masters!!

Niyado

Can't emulate number pad

folknutz

help pls...can find texture baking...can anyone help..plss..

Indee

I hope they look at the numpad emulator script :(( its not working like in 2.49x..
and the horizontal deffaullt view .... but Iґm impressed that vbo and tripple buffer is in the build yet

Astapov

Seconded, How do you save key maps?

alamoodi

Those asking about the cp720 problem.
They are using Arabic enabled windows OS and this problem will popup because blender 2.5 seems to try to use the related encoding that match the OS(Operating System) default encoding.
To solve this problem (Hay, this is a work around) do the following:
go to this folder
win32-vc r24060\.blender\python\lib\encodings
considering that you are using the version win32-vc r24060 of blender 2.5
Then make a copy of this file utf_8.py and rename the copy to cp720.py all of this should be in the same folder.

Joe

Nice work on the builds.

Is it possible to include Collada export in a future build? ( from either of the GSOC projects - native, or Python )

Nesta Parchment

Blender 2.5's new interface is extremely atractive...

resiliente77

Iґm a graphic designer from Brazil and Iґve being playing around with some 3d softwares for while, and, I must say, this one has one of the most beautiful interfaces of all, and itґs free. Itґs the beginning of a new era in CG world.

Domy_Graphy

this time Blender 2.5 have the Play back problem.(i don't know what about system) this problem appear on the Sequence editor mode. when i try to make the large sequence quality video with music is wave file or fx wave file .

blender, i love it. i see the nice future of it,nearly the Successful

good luck for your Development work

higginsdj

How do I close an embedded window once I drag one open? I days of old it was just right click and Join.

gwc42

Still can't get 'emulate numpad' to work so can't try it properly. Seems INCREDIBLY slow andunresponsive; each mouse click takes a couple of seconds to give a result. Hope this is improved for the final build otherwise it will be quite unusable!!

Yellow

when cutting hair in after bake animation it bug out.
can any one check it?

DingTo

You are a funny guy, yellow, posting the same 4 times.

GraphicAll

Removing duplicated comments.

Thanks DingTo for the great builds!

lkdb

Is it really alfa 0? It is not official, I think, tomorrow will be official at blender.org.

DingTo

Yes, official builds will be at blender.org, of course.
I have alpha0 in title, because it uses the same SVN revision... or nearly the same, we had a retag since my build with a last fix. ;-)

migero

the only thing i can't find in the new interface is how to enable and disable a texture from material

Pee Boy

WHEN I SET THE MIDDLE MOUSE BUTTON TO PAN NOTHING CHANGES !!! PLS FIX IT !!!

3Ä-ìàñòåð

Круто!!!
Смешиватель 2.5 всё ближе к народу.
И всёже хочеться уже полной версии и поскорее и получше 3Дс Макса и Майи всемте взятых.
Блендер Рульно и удобно, хотя он меня по началу пугал своей оригинальностью, но я зря обделался два раза. а потом решил чисто для себя узучить, а то стыдно перед собой было знать 3дс макс и нифига не уметь делать в Блендере.

bartrobinson

First of all, amazing work! I love the new 2.5 Alpha 0 system with all the goodies!

Second of all, the Tool and Operator Shelves and Viewport Properties built into each viewport are a poor usability decision in my opinion. They should be smaller and more transient or in their own Window Types. I'll explain why.

1. Tool Shelves occupy a LOT of screen space. They are always as tall as viewport, even with only a few tools!
2. Splitting a viewport with a Tool Shelf means you automatically get ANOTHER Tool Shelf in your new viewport!
3. Tool Shelves can't be floated or broken off!
4. Operator Shelves have the same problems.
5. Operator Shelves are abnormal in 2.5. All other properties and numbers that users can edit, are typically found in the Properties Window, except Operators. Why look in two places for numbers to edit?!

I'm not here just to complain. Here are my suggested solutions.

1. Create a Tool Shelf Window.
2. Allow buttons to be Text, Icon or Both style.
3. Move Operator Shelf properties to an Operators panel in the Properties Window for each Context or separate.

Also, I have similar problems with viewport properties.

1. The Viewport Property Shelves occupy LOTS of screen space. They are always as tall their viewports, even with only a few buttons!
2. Splitting a viewport with a Property Shelf means you automatically get ANOTHER Property Shelf in your new viewport!
3. Viewport Property Shelves are odd. They contain a mix of data some of which pertain to the viewport, and some of which have NOTHING to do with the viewport! For example, when a viewport is set to Orthogonal, the property shelf still contains camera and lens properties. Transforms are object specific data. Selected or active items, again have nothing to do with the viewport.

Again, more solutions.

1. Remove excess unrelated data, keep it lean, mean, and related.
2. Add a user preference for hiding or showing new Viewport Property Shelves when viewports are split or joined.
3. Remove data which is not related to a viewport and put it where it belongs. Usually in a related context in the Properties Window. The example of object transforms, they should be in the Object Context of the Properties Window. Selected or Active object name, in the Outliner Window or a separate Selections Window Type! (Would be cool!) Camera properties, should NOT be shown in the Viewport Properties Shelf unless the viewport is specifically set to a camera. Even then, perhaps it should only contain the name of the camera, as the camera data should be in the Camera Context of the Property Window.

Consistency and usability are the number one reason Blender isn't more widely adopted professionally and recreationally.

Bart Robinson

bartrobinson

Again... AMAZING work! I love the new User Preferences, configurable key mapping, integrated python UI and Console, multithreaded UI, and major feature advances.

lkdb

I've got one problem (with every version of windows' build). What's the problem? Look here:

http://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=316

What is wrong? I know, that not only me has that problem, but, I didn't find the solution. CAN ANYONE HELP?

I have Windows 7 x86 and I instaled a few times python (2.6 and 3.1.1), drivers of ma GC, and Visual 2005/2008 C++, and it didn't help. (sorry for english)

Tio Ilmo

The Menus desapears in the last buildings of 2.50, including the Alpha 0 build. I can see the new splash but all panels and menus desapeared. Until building 24517 of 2.50 it was working well. What I need to do?
I have Windows XP and I installed a few times python 3.1.1 and Visual 2005/2008 C++, and it didn't help.
The strange is I can run build 24517 but Alpha 0 no.

Could someone help me?

Tio Ilmo

lkdb

Hello, Tio Ilmo, do You have tha same as me (look up)? If so, You're not alone...

lkdb

Geo

What happened to the crease subsurf option? It used to be shift-E in edit mode but that doesn't work and I cant seem to find it anywhere. I tend to use it quite allot in 2.49, if its not being included in 2.5 can anyone suggest an alternative method ?

David

I love the indirect diffuse bounce AAO in 25034. It glitches when AAO passes is greater than zero, but I can live with that.

m

2.5 so cool. Defocus node some problem.. or Camera DOF info.. (sorry, my english ability so poor..)

m

I use Blender window ver.
Blenderguru tutorial(DOF) not work..
Thank you ^^

RNS

this build is ghost,some thing is wrong with python.
smoke and other feature seem to be effected.

Tio Ilmo

Hey LKDB,

How can I open the EXE without unpacking?

I've just downloade the ZIP file, extracted all files and run the Blender.exe. What else I have to do?

Thanks in advance...

PeeBoy

DingTo

PLS HEEEELLLPPP!!! I wanted to set the mid mouse button to pan but I can't PLS FIX IT !!!!

Kanito

I miss the option that allows u to duplicate the scene. I can only create a new one, but I can't copy any other of the previous.

Maybe the option to copy it's in other place, but i couldn't find it. I think it's a very useful option.

Great job man

JustinBarrett

I'm getting a 404 message...does the file exist? I cannot download(I trust you Thomas< it just isn't happening for me here in Trier, De).

stvndysn

just tried downloading this build and the link is broken

Fabio

I would like to see some parametric modelling options here! Lightwave CORE is copying it from Maya, and I think Blender should take the same approach to this... being able to go back and change your previous inputs is FANTASTIC.

DingTo

Sorry, I don't know what was wrong, re uploaded the build, works now! :)

G71

Keep those builds rolling, there's alot of hungry blenderers out there! :)

G71

Oh, forgot to mention, can't wait for an Alpha version of Blender 2.5. But I am a little dissapointed in the vertical layout of the buttons. I was so used to the horizontal layout, and horizontal doesn't dig too well with the new version.

Max

thankyou!

I cant see any speedup in sculpt mode from 2.49b.. the multiresolution levels stop at 10 after than crash :( like 2.49

ZanQdo

Max: thats because you are probably starting from a cube.. try a real model and you'll see

RNS

it's bug - memory block in sculpt mode and crash in level 7
it work faster,but it crash.

Arcasor

I have a rendering problem when any of the Geometry check boxes is selected in the texture Influence panel:

http://www.pasteall.org/pic/511

Has anyone else experienced it?

max

ZanQdo: will try :)

Max

tried with a normal model... it becames very slow at 4milion polygons! so sad :(

turboyoyo

During the pan,rotation,zoom operation the manipulators (move,scale and rotate) get turned off. I've made up an alien character and the 2.49 rendered it for one minute and 34 sec the 2.5 rendered the same scene for 23. seconds. Great work !!!

demohero

Thank you very much Ding to.

LIVE

ESCELENTE ! HUMANO META ,,, AHORRRA MUCHO TIEMPO,,,,,
PERO ,, CREO QUE NO TIENE RIGGING

benNO!

great work the Solidify Modifier :-) like it !

batarzell

I love you man!

batarzell

Please build it next time too! You are best Windows builder here I think :).

RNS

Why developer have to copy Maya smoke simulation when it can be simulated in field properties,or is to advance for them to do so? simple just use alpha filters as volume.Blender pro can do this which still in development.

Slavsen

Arcasor, the same problem, "normal" works not correctly: http://blender3d.org.ua/forum/news/iwe/upload/nor_on.jpg Now I use build from other builder.

turboyoyo

Blender 2.50 is so great that I have no words to describe it. I am using 2.49b as a main tool for work in 3D and it blews my mind. Awesome tool. There are couple of things that could be added to the 2.50, like targeted camera which could be very useful. Other usefull thing could be, the ability to aligin vertices or edges to the one of the axis. Like in uv editor and when fixing the seems it would be very usefull to have the ability to select vertices and algn them to the x or y axis, making them to be in a single straight row.
Keep up the good work,you guys are the greatest.

Takeshi

DingTo many thanks for this... Keep up the good work =)

I'd love to know how make the script to auto update the build... It's a shame that GraphicAll doesn't have Automated Builds for Windows, just linux...

tundra010

Blender 2.5 is turning out well so far :)

but what happened to voxel sculpting?

will that be a part of blender 2.5?

Struppi

what could be added to the 2.5 version is a render function from the live view - like max ...

great work man !!!!

Yellow

Particle hair is bugging.

Bogey

Sellection buttons are not drawn correctly, when entering edit mode. Simply a small box with a tick in it. Instant crash when trying to change from vertex to line sellect.
25592 build.

malcolm

I ditto Bogey's comment Edit mode instantly crashes my machine.

batarzell

Sellection buttons are not drawn correctly, when entering edit mode. Simply a small box with a tick in it. Instant crash when trying to change from vertex to line sellect.
25592 build.

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Yes, yes I have the same problem too!

DingTo

Дhm, yeah...i really should check if I have made changes in my working copy before uploading a build. This is NOT a Problem inside SVN! :P
Sorry for that!

Bogey

Down loading now. Thanks for sorting so quick, and thanks for the builds. Much appreciated.

batarzell

Uh you are quick! You are the best!!!

batarzell

I wish everyone a good start into 2010! Thanks for downloading my builds this year, i hope they are useful!! Keep it up! :)

Also a big Thanks to every other builder here, great job!

Your DingTo
------------------------------------------------------------

Is better to post this here today at 00:00 :).
Great work man! Nice new year for you too and donґt forgot us! :-D.

curiosity

Hi
For some reason I have started getting these messages since last couple builds. This happens when I change the front-side-top view shortcuts

"search for unknown operator WM_OT_context_set_enum, WM_OT_context_set_enum"


Couple months ago I changed and used those shortcuts successfully.

Any ideas?


thanks

nash88

Happy New Year :D to DingTo and Blender Community

alonzo

Happy new year to dingto, the blender community and all graphicall readers ;)

sk2k

Thank you for providing these builds.

MfG
sk2k

Singleman

When I delete the cube of the default escene the cursor moves to a different place that the origin of coordinates.

DingTo

The Cursor is allready not centered when the Cube is still there, just zoom out a bit and you'll see it.
Easy Bug, will be fixed with the next b.blend Update in SVN.

Loop Duplicate

Do you guys know why the report region in the console area on Graphicall builds doesn't show operators for me?

It works on the official released ALPHA 0.

Please, if you know the answer, email me loopduplicate@burningtoken.com or post a comment on my build page.

Slavsen

DingTo, only when I use your bild there is this problem: "Texture-Influence-Geometry enable" not work correctly? There are black artefacts. Sample: http://blender3d.org.ua/forum/news/iwe/upload/nor_on.jpg
How you are going to correct it?

Kragoon

Really cool!
I really wish the bevel tool was availiable though. It is essential to my modeling flow. anyone know when it will be available in 2.5?

BadElvis

Works well, thank you. What do I have to do, so that "import Blender" works in console? Thanks for help!

DingTo

The Py API in 2.5 is new. There is no "import Blender" anymore. See the first blue lines in console, it tells you what you can do. (bpy, context etc)

batarzell

Nice, cool, excellent. Keep it going DingTo, you are the best!

Takeshi

Hi... I'm trying to do my own builds but I'm encountering some issues... I even tried to build a minimalist blender, without anything selected on CMake but I still have some warning and I wanted to know if that's normal...

I'm using Visual Studio 2008 Pro Trial e Cmake.

Warning 1 warning C4018: '

Takeshi

I't didn't let me post all =/

Takeshi

Well, any way it's here, sorry for the other comments... And thanks for your work, 'till I figure out how to do my own builds I'll continue to use yours =)

http://www.pasteall.org/10541/text

DingTo

Takeshi,
I have no idea about cmake, but you could try scons (which gets delivered with Blender SVN). Just change into your source dir and do "python scons/scons.py" in the console.

Ignatz

This latest build (26251) crashes immediately if one tries to go into edit mode. Same thing happened with build 26247.

Demohero

I agree with Ignatz. When I enter edit mode, it suddenly crashes. Win XP pro. Geforce 8600.

Aaron

I'm getting crashes when chnaging to edit mode, adding modifier, scuplting etc.

Win7 Pro 32bit
Radeon 4850

Build 26251

BadElvis

Thanks for your reply, DinTo. I will get used to the new bpy soon, I hope. Has anybody figured out a way to work around the installation of the C++ runtime environment? I do not have the necessary admin priviledges to install it.

Thanks!

DingTo

EditMode Crash has been fixed.

@BadElvis:
There is a possibility, download Blender 2.5 Alpha 0 from blender.org and copy some files next to the blender.exe of my build. Of course i could add these files to my build so you don't have to, but I have a very slow connection. ;-)

-Microsoft.VC90.CRT.manifest
-msvcr90.dll
-msvcp90.dll
-msvcm90.dll

batarzell

Man! Where were you been ?! I forgot you! Well, is nice to see you here agin!

Allan

DingTo is back in da house :) thx for the build again

Gus

Thanks for the build, DingTo.

Can you change the folder name from 'trunk' to 'release number' (or something like 'trunk_#XXXXX'). That way will be easy for us to keep multiple versions and to know which one it's the newest.

Thanks again.

DingTo

The 7z Archive I upload has always the name "trunk_SVN Number.7z", when you extract the archive you can make a dir with the SVN number or something. But will think about your idea, as my build process is automated with a script, I can tweak that easily to rename the folder. :)

Glad you like the Builds!

cos

Crash when baking textures

mb

DingTo,
thank you for your work: your builds are my preferred source for keeping informed about blender 2.5 evolution.

As far as you know, is it planned to (re)introduce the script link tool in 2.5x, in the near future?

Thanks.

DingTo

mb:
Glad you like my builds :)
There are no plans which I am aware of, regarding script links. Sorry!

DingTo

Numarul7

The .7z archive don`t open here 7zip say "can`t open like an archive..."

Next release maybe. :)

blenderguy2008

Amazing....I am really starting to feel the vertical menus ! It is much easier....I made an animated model using this last build...from start to finish I have not major problems. Few details like no grabbing keys in the NLA...some keys in the dope Editor can't be moved even when they are unlocked ! You must toggle to free then...etc etc...But I love 2.5 ! F-Curves editing lovely !

David

I cant rotate my view with alt+left click anymore. We were able to do this in 2.49. Is it a bug or just my build?

Benjamin Bailey (Banor)

I downloaded this build and am looking forward to modeling my character very soon, but the 7z archive file is PASSWORD PROTECTED. I use PeaZip. Any suggestions?!

Benjamin Bailey (Banor)

Nevermind, I got it to work this time. The first time I moved the file to a different drive before extracting. This time I just did it from the Desktop and it worked fine. Yipee!

Brian

David,

Did you figure it out? If not try this. Go to your preferences and turn on emulate middle mouse button.

DingTo

For anyone who has problems with the archive. I am compressing with 7-Zip (http://7-zip.org/), can't test with other applications. :)

David

@Brian

Yes I figured it out, I selected emulate middle mouse button and it fixed it, Thanks.

Josh

Has the shortcut to the Loop Cut menu changed? It used to be K. Im trying to get the multicut option with the knife tool.